1. LaMonte Young's experimental ensemble ca. 1961, featuring John Cale who later on ended up in the Velvet Underground.

  2. Steve Wynn's old ca. 1982+ band with Kendra Smith, Karl Precoda, and Dennis Duck. Kendra Smith left and founded Opal with ex-Rain Parade Dave Roback; years passed, Kendra Smith left Opal, and they mutated into Mazzy Star, a far less enlightening and mind-altering band.