It has widely been observed that the scientologist strategy seems to be "always attack, never defend". Perhaps this can be a place for Scientologists to disprove this. I've never really met a Scientologist, and while what I've seen so far would lead me to believe that it is a cult, I'd like to hear more from the people who are actually involved.

To the Scientologists among us: please use this node to answer the questions many critics have.

  • What do you feel you get out of the auditing process?
  • Do you really believe in Xenu and the body thetans?
  • How confident are you that LRH's "science" was the result of his out-of-body explorations and not drug-induced hazes?
  • Have you been pressured to sell all your posessions to fund the movement?
  • What's your take on the "fair game" document? (
  • Why is the practice of psychiatry & psychology so hated?
  • Do you believe that people with "negative" personalities should be isolated from society as if they had smallpox? If so, how would you determine who stays and who goes?
  • Do you believe that wives who claim to be battered are actually battering their husbands?
  • Do you feel child labor laws should be abolished?

To the rest: Please don't downvote something because you disagree with it.

In response to Prophet4's questions...

P4: What do you feel you get out of the auditing process?
DN: Immensely increased mental clarity; freedom from the influences of past trauma; increased enjoyment of life; decreased reaction time; ambiversion.

P4: Do you really believe in Xenu and the body thetans?
DN: Don't know, don't care. I am more interested in the tech than in the religion, and this brings up an important point. There are really two parts of Scientology, "tech" - which is the basic applied stuff, like Dianetics and similar therapies - and then there is the religious aspect, which involves Xenu and body thetans and all that other stuff. You can be an all-tech Scientologist.

P4: How confident are you that LRH's "science" was the result of his out-of-body exporations and not drug-induced hazes?
DN: Does it matter? Van Gogh burned off his ear and mailed it to his girlfriend. Does that make Starry Night any less beautiful? Many FreeZoners believe Hubbard was an inspired synthesizer, that he took information that already existed and synthesized something new and wonderful with it.

Have you been pressured to sell all your posessions to fund the movement?
DN: No, but they do aggressively sell their goods and services. But you already knew that.

What's your take on the "fair game" document? (
DN: This policy was rescinded. However, it is said that 'Fair Game' is still referred to in some up-to-date literature used by the Church. This kind of behavior - that is, the actual carrying-out of Fair Game - is contrary to everything Dianetics stands for, not to mention the officially posted Scientology Code of Ethics.

Why is the practice of psychiatry & psychology so hated?
DN: We believe they do far more harm than good. Any Dianeticist who has truly read and understood the book, and undergone actual auditing, knows that those groups do not have any business pretending that they know how to cure mental ills. For starters, they like to say things like, "We will never fully understand the workings of the human mind." This is a defeatist assertation. Psychiatrists in particular are irksome to us. They used to drill holes in people's heads and claim that they were curing them. Today, they are restricted to such things as ECT and Ritalin. One of the fundamentals of Dianetics is that the human mind has native capabilities which can be tapped to relieve any mental ailment. Sending voltage through the brain, or drilling holes in it, or modifying its chemical structure with drugs, introduces an unstable element into the equation. There is a long-standing bylaw that those who have been under the care of psychiatrists may not be audited because of said unstable element.

If there is anything further I may answer, feel free to ask.

kozmund asks, re: scientology:

k: How far along in scientology are you, and how much have you paid thus far. (the second question may seem hostile, but i am actually curious)
DN: I have received approximately fifty hours of auditing. Auditing goes for about $18 an hour, so you do the math. I have also done Self Analysis, one of Scientology's few solo processes, which is $7.00 for the book and the auditing is free and you can do as much of it as you want. (I don't count that in the ~50 hours.) Self Analysis is hugely popular with churchgoers and FreeZoners alike.

I have been offered various extension courses but haven't done any yet.

Rockytastic wanted to know why I became interested in the first place. I have always been fascinated with the operation of the human mind, and I always wondered why people did crazy things. This may seem a little wierd, but when I watched the Road Runner cartoons at a younger age, I always rooted for Wile E. Coyote. Now, we're SUPPOSED to root for the Road Runner and be happy when the Coyote falls 800 feet down a canyon and gets hit in the head with an anvil, but I never did. The Coyote was just trying to eat to stay alive, you know? I always wondered about that, but I never quite articulated it into anything. When I discovered Dianetics, it was a revelation: Crazy people act crazy for the same reason that Wile E. Coyote chases the Road Runner. They do it because in their minds, it's the best possible way to attain maximum survival. One of the main theses of Dianetics is that organisms are constantly striving for maximum survival, and that "craziness" - the kind that's detrimental to survival - is indeed caused by weaknesses in the mechanism of the mind. Better still, the mind has native mechanisms that can be used to fix what's wrong - so in addition to identifying the problem, Dianetics presents a method of actually doing something about it. I hope that's not too ephemeral.

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As a non-scientologist at a study tech (aka CoS) school, I regularly observe the ways in which the CoS operates. In the last few weeks the school has become a field day for all those charming Sea Org recruiters, and over 15% of the students in their teens have signed the Sea Org contract, some being very good friends of mine. It's interesting to see how they are attracted to joining the SO. Most are recruited in their middle teens when they're most vulnerable time when they're looking for some sort of place in the world, making their ruin easy to find. The recruiters disgust me in the way that they recruit people like this. At school I'm constantly surrounded by scientologist children and teachers, everyone is very cautious about not pushing me into it, but the utter secrecy of their organization is what really draws people into it. I constantly have other students squirreling to me, going on about Planet X and the government conspiracies. This was the kind of stuff we grew out of at 12 when we realized that science was correct and explained how life was. To most scientologists, all of science is wrong. According to scientology, matter can be created and destroyed just by thinking of an object in your mind (and believe me, I had a 2 hour argument with my physics teacher about this), and there's much more where this came from.

Also most scientologists, think the the whole government is full of SPs, and there's no one intelligent working there because they've all been suppressed. So one day I asked the teacher who said this "Why hasn't scientology taken control of the government if they know so much about it, and are able to handle SPs? L. Ron Hubbard was an intelligent man wasn't he?". The answer I got was pretty vague, but something along the lines of, "There are too many SPs there...scientology is focusing of making the whole planet clear first...LRH did write a letter to President Kenedy, but then they were raided shortly afterwords by the FBI...", you get the idea.
I must confirm that almost all the of the information I have read above and at is pretty true. All my scientologist friends find it very hard to talk with normal people, and they constantly try at assess and handle people, instead of just making friends with them like any normal person would do. They're also pretty arrogant most of the time, mainly because from a child they're given the view that the rest of the outside world is wrong. They all talk so much about applying scientology and how well it works, yet many of them don't even understand what their parents have told them. Scientologists always go on about how verbal data can never be trusted, yet they frequently discuss what they might learn on OT III, and try to get our OT teachers to levitate objects for them. And what about the confusion with dates through L. Ron Hubbard's life, it seems every source has some different date. So much for solid data.

Aside from all this the school does have its benefits. The study tech has been a great help for me (although it makes you very slack), and the people there are very kind and friendly. There has never been any incidents of bullying or drugs (but that also makes life pretty boring).
So maybe scientology is doing something right. But even so, LRH was a pretty 'alternative' guy. (oh and my physics teacher is on a diet of bananas).

Here's a surprise: the word "Scientology" was first invented in 1875 by linguistically creative author, Stephen Pearl Andrews, as part and parcel of a tome chock full of comparable coinages, titled The Primary Synopsis of Universology and Alwato (which, Andrews blithely assures readers, will be "the new scientific universal language"; don't ask me what Alwato means).

The word is described thusly in the ornately written 'Table of Contents':
Scientology, the Science of the Scientismus, or of that Secondary Department of Being, or Stage of Evolution, in which Scientism, the Spirit or Principle of Science (or of that which is analogous with Science) preponderates—strict, legal, and law-abiding; Formal, regular; characterized by straightness, accuracy, and adjustment; as of Straight Lines, Parallelisms, Rectangularities, Squares, Cubes, etc. (See Index.)
And here's a sample of its use amongst the writing of which the book is strung together:

58. SCIENTOLOGY, is, on the contrary [to Naturology], that Branch or Aspect of Universology in which the Universe is considered and treated as consecutively and logically evolved from the Three Abstract Universal Principles above specified (2, 45), related to the Three Primary Numbers. It is, in other words, the Logical and Mathematical Evolution of Being universally, from the Primordial Categories or Basis-Thoughts of Being. Scientology is therefore Universology developed in the spirit of the Exact Sciences, and is wholly new in kind. It is the Core or Centre and the most distinctive Department of Universology, that in which the discovery of this New Universal Science mainly consists; but it is proportionally less popular, in character, and more remote from old and existing scientific ideas.
The paragraph numbering, incidentally, is present throughout the book, which his 250 such paragraphs from beginning to end (though many of these run a page and a half, and some are simply lengthy 'testimonial' quotes by asserted authorities on the subjects covered). Towards the end of the book is a "condensed account," which the author explains was "requested by the publisher"-- who was apparently as flummoxed by Andrews' inventive vocabulary as, well, any typical reader would be.

'Scientology' is but one of many sentimentations invented by Mr. Andrews. It is 'Universology' which is the core subject proposed by this author. And though Mr. Andrews incorporates the study of prevailing religious views into his system (under the title of 'Theandric'), his is no work of theology. It appears mostly concerned with the arrangement, organization, and designation of scientific fields. And lastly (in case you were wondering), no, the book makes no mention of alien spirits deleteriously attaching themselves to human souls as a result of mass genocide in Earth volcanoes at the direction of an evil alien overlord (though one still must wonder whether L. Ron Hubbard ever happened to come across this book while seeking inspiration for his own invention).

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