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Why Socrates was really executed

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(idea) by lemuru (3 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Tue Dec 05 2000 at 21:53:53

This actually isn't so funny, and it is really close to the truth. By Socrates' (Plato's) own account of his doings in the Apology, this isn't so extremely far from what he did.

According to him, he was told by the Oracle at Delphi that he was the wisest. Wondering what was up with this, Socrates proceeded to go about to question the wisest of Greece, and particularly of Athens, on the subject of their specialization: he asked the poets of poetry, the mucisians of music, the "holy" of piety in a quest to find out how true the Oracle's words were. His examinations, at least not the portions he discussed, did not involve going up to random people on the street and asking about virtue, but it did involve going up to people who thought they were wise in some subject and inquiring of it. Said inquiries generally entailed starting off with Socrates very nicely, very humbly asking said expert of his area of expertise, and it escalated from there, with Socrates questioning and questioning until it was plain that the "expert" was, in truth, a fool.

Now, while all of this questioning was going on in the streets and stuff, young aristocrats like Plato would follow Socrates around and watch, and they would get a major kick out of it. I mean, think about it: wouldn't you get some major kicks from seeing your jerk physics professor getting shown that he, in truth, really knows (or, rather, understands) very little? Certainly this was why Socrates seemed so subversive to the people of Athens, and certainly this was why he was accussed of corrupting the youth: he was questioning the elders, and he was publically humiliating them before the youths. He was showing them that their elders really aren't as brilliant as they claimed, and he was compelling the youth to similiarly question.

(idea) by schist (7.4 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Thu Jan 31 2002 at 3:42:12

According to I. F. Stone's Trial of Socrates, the real reason Socrates was executed in 399 B.C.E. was that the people of Athens blamed him for spreading anti-democratic teachings. Not only did he spread them, but two of his pupils, Critias and Alcibiades, were active in serious attempts (411 B.C.E. and 404 B.C.E.) to overthrow Athenian democracy. In the eight months that Critias and the Thirty Tyrants actually ruled, they persecuted democrats, executing some 3% of the population of Athens and expelling another 10%. Stone argues, with support from writers in later antiquity, that the restored democratic government of Athens blamed Socrates for the training of Critias, and sentenced him to death chiefly for this reason.

Karl Popper, on the other hand, recognizes the deeply authoritarian trend in our records of Socrates, but blames this on Plato. He feels that Plato misrepresents the historical Socrates, who held what he calls equalitarian and anti-authoritarian views. (Popper's arguments are presented in his magnificent essay, The Open Society and its Enemies).

You can't help noticing that Socrates' reputation is awfully high in antiquity, and since. Classical writers such as Epictetus and Plutarch use him constantly as an example of the ideal philosopher, embodying ataraxia at all times (hence the stories of his equanimity in the face of his wife's irrational rage). Popper too seems to hold Socrates as an ideal philosopher. But I am persuaded by Stone's case. I wonder if Socrates' reputation is not in fact the result of a PR-job by his students.


Anacreon comments:
I think Stone's dead wrong. Had the Athenians really executed Socrates for supporting Tyranny (and there is evidence even in Plato's writings that he didn't) they would have fractured the entire scheme of post-war Athenian society. The only reason a civil war was prevented in Athens after the democratic revolution/restoration was because of the amnesty given by the new regime to all those involved in the revolutionary aristocratic governments that preceded it. If then they would have started to hunt down anti-democrats (even under different pretexts) it would have seriously endangered social stability in a way the Athenians could not afford at the time.

There's an excellent article (excellent even if it was published over 30 years ago) on this subject by Alexander Fuchs


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Ataraxia Karl Popper The Socratic Method How I tried to teach the Theory of Three Dimensions to my Grandson, and with what success
The annoying orange orb outside my window each morning Roman sexuality Socrates Suicide is a legitimate option in a case like this
Alcibiades Xenophon She was an intellectual prostitute, seducing me with profound truisms Pigdog Journal
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Socratic dialogue A young man writes poetry to the sound of the sea crashing Queer Youth Exist backpacking
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