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(idea) by tiberius (7.9 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Thu Aug 17 2000 at 8:24:53

I have often wondered about colour (color if you must), and people's perception of it. The thought was raised on a local radio station the other day, but the answer is still unclear.

My question is when people see colours do they actually see the same thing? You are told from birth that the sky is blue and the grass is green, so you learn names for the colours you perceive. But if you could somehow get into another person's brain and see what they see, would the colours be the same at all? Or would red for you be green for them?

I'm not sure if the answer will ever be known. On the aforementioned radio station, there was mention of the fact that different peoples can perceive different shades, and women can actually perceive different than men. However, the core question remains unanswered...


(idea) by iain (5.5 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Thu Aug 17 2000 at 8:38:44

I think the actual perception is less important than the cultural and emotional significance the colour has upon us. Whether you and I see the same thing when we look at a pale blue is a question that can never be answered; however most people find that looking at that particular colour induces feelings of peace and calm.

Likewise something that's painted in vivid red and orange: the same wavelength of light is stimulating the rods and cones in your eyes and my eyes, but how our brain interprets that is a unique, personal experience. What is know is that to most people from a western culture these colours are far more "stimulating" than most others.

Our understanding of colour is also very open to cultural bias. Many people know that to the Chinese white is a colour that signifies death, whereas black has this symbolism in Western cultures. Yet even amongst people from the same region there is variation: the Welsh have a word glas that basically translates as "the colour of a mountain lake" -- dependent on the ambient lighting this can be anything from grey through deep green to a vivid blue. In the Welsh language these shades all count as one colour, glas, whereas English distinguishes between them.


(idea) by West Country Guy (4.8 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Thu Aug 17 2000 at 8:52:34

No people dont see the same thing when they see colours (I will stick to the UK English Spelling).

This is shown up in Colour Blindness, I am Colour Blind in the Turquoise area (Blue/Green). Its not that I cannot see anything that is Turquoise in Colour, but unlike people who claim that it is an individual colour all I see is a shade of Blue or Green not a mix of both.

So what I see as one colour, the majority of people see as another.

This is not a problem with my eyes (since they can see the turquoiuse frequency of light), but more of a question of recognition that this frequency is in fact a distinct colour.

Heres an Experiment to prove my point.

Gather a dozen people together at sunset and ask them what Colour it is.

I believe that the majority if pressed will not be able to give a precise answer that is the same as their neighbours.


(idea) by Taltos (5.4 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Thu Sep 14 2000 at 23:17:09

While we are all conditioned to recognize colors the same, I would agree that no two people see things exactly the same.

The light may stimulating my rods and cones the same as it does yours, but does your eye have the exact same ratio of rods/cones so that it is capable of interpreting the signal in exactly the same fashion? I am willing to entertain the thought that there are a myriad of differences, and that only our common cultural acceptance drives shared color identification. Color (or colour) blind individuals just punctuate this for the rest of us, with their rods/cones behaving in such a radically different fashion


(idea) by Dilly (5 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sun Aug 04 2002 at 21:47:12


No two people ever see the same colour. Some may say this is because of psychological factors, others, well.. who knows. This is my reason as to why two people never see the same colour.

There are three different cones in our eyes. They are characterized by the photopigment that they have. In short, they are red, green and blue. Now, this is NOT to say that every blue cone is the same. There are differences, such as the number of photopigments actually in the cone. Now, why would this cause any problems you ask? Well, when blue light is shined into our eyes, these pigments become activated and send signals through complicated processes that I will node later, to the brain. Now blue cones that have different pigment counts will be activated differently by the same light. Hence, the signal that is sent to the brain will be different.

Furthermore, the distribution of these cones and rods are not random, but are not fixed either. There is a pattern, there are more cones near the fovea but more rods in the periphery. The number of cones and rods differs from individual to individual. So a light, incident on the same piece of the retina will activate different amounts of receptors.

So, a single light beam of PURE blue color will activate different amounts of blue cones in different people, and the signal to the brain will be different based on the cones activated and the amount of photopigment that are actually activated. Now that is just for one colour. When you factor in different shades, you are factoring in different ratios of cones activated and those two differ from individual to individual. Hence, no two people see the exact same colour.

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