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It was all God's fault

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(idea) by DMan (1.4 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Sun Apr 09 2000 at 8:35:18

Disclaimer: I don't hate religious people. This is my own analysis of Genesis 1 to 3. I found it to be quite an interesting perspective on God.

I read Genesis when I was a senior in high school. I read about creation and the whole Adam and Eve incident. My English teacher told me to write what I thought about the whole deal. Being the Godless atheist I am, I proceeded to lay down my two cents on the whole issue. I was rewarded with an F. I did not know she was a devout Protestant. After a long argument, my paper was regraded and I was given a B. I think what pissed her off was my insistence that it was God's fault, not Adam or Eve. Well, we do have to defend our fellow man (and woman).

Genesis 1 dealed with the entire 6 days of creation and in Genesis 2 God proceeded to lay his trap for Adam and Eve, in the form of the Tree of Knowledge (I will explain this shortly). You see, God is omnipotent. God also created everything (no, not this everything). He should know exactly what ran through the curious minds of Adam and Eve. He knows that they would be irresistably attracted to it and be unable to stop themselves. But he still proceeds to plunk down the big ol' tree, right in the middle of the Garden of Eden.

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die."

So knowingly God creates the snake, and made it more subtle than any other wild creature that God had made (direct quote). Why? To trigger the trap of course. Unable to resist the snake and the fruit, Adam and Eve eat it, pisses God off, and are punished. Here is how:

Snake: "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals; upon your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life. I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

For being God's tool, he is forced to wiggle on his belly forever and get trampled and stepped on, as well as being hated by all humankind. Ouch that's gotta hurt a bit.

Woman: "I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."

Gut-wrenching pain (literally) AND slavery! Condemned for her own innocence (again, God knowingly intended her to be so). Sexist bastard.

Man: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return."

For listening to your wife (like any good husband does), you are condemned to a life of sweat and toil and eventual death. What kind of benevolence is this?

Did God really expect eternal obedience from creatures he created and intended to be curious and disobedient? God knew this was going to happen. He planned it all from the start. He used the tree as a trap and the snake as bait, then punished all three of them. Then he put that big spinning fiery sword to keep them out of the Garden of Eden.

Now that is the ultimate cruelty right there. Give them a brief taste of heaven, plan their own demise, then forever lock them out of it. Did I hear somewhere that God was supposed to be benevolent? Doesn't look like it. He really set a real good example for everyone there. Cruel sadistic sexist manipulator.


(idea) by Canar (4.3 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sun Apr 09 2000 at 8:55:55

Heh, atheist opinion indeed. I can see the logic stream there, but there are a few theological flaws. Simply put, God created them to have biased worshippers. Angels were his eternally obedient workers. He allowed them to decide on their own; to make their own decisions. He wanted free-minded people, not drones. This meant that although they were created perfect, they lacked the omniscience He had. The must have had a sense that He knew a whole lot more than them, and to make up for that, they were curious, and probably a fair bit naive, not due to imperfection, but due to that . They made their decision to eat that fruit, and that was that.

(idea) by Sylvar (4 wk) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sun Apr 09 2000 at 14:03:14

On the other hand, God lied. God said "On the day you eat of that fruit, you will die. Yes, die."

They ate of it. They did not die. They became mortal, they became poor wretched sinners, and so on. But you'll notice that they did not die.


(idea) by ximenez (2.3 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Tue May 09 2000 at 13:30:17

Note to DMan: This critique is interesting, but not new. It's a traditional attack based on a widespread piece of bad theology.

Christians can and should point to the fact that God did not allow Adam (who did die, as written in Genesis 5:5) and Eve (who isn't mentioned, being a woman) to die ultimately. Their final destiny is eternal life through Jesus Christ. Of course, one might ask why God went through the whole process of allowing sin to enter the world and then redeeming us from it--well, it means we get to eat our cake and have it too...we get to be curious and exploratory, but in the end come back to God. That's not such a bad thing, is it?

Minor update--the original version of Genesis is in Hebrew, not Greek. Hebrew is much more difficult for Anglophones to learn. Greek at least has some relationship to English (and if you know Latin you'll have a leg up on Greek grammar and vocabulary) but Hebrew is something else.


(idea) by PureDoxyk (7.3 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Tue May 09 2000 at 14:06:09

Wow, you guys are good! I love Genesis, and I have to strongly recommend reading it in or translating it from the Greek if you can. It's purty.

What kills me, really, is that God was very obvious about why he didn't want his two naked monkees eating of that Tree. The snake brings it up too. Because Adam and Eve were made in God's image (well, actually, Adam and Lilith were made in God's image, and Eve was made in Adam's, but we won't go there for now), if they had the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they would be like God (except for being mortals). And if you remember, there was another tree, the one that God threw them out of the Garden to get them away from it--the Tree of Life Everlasting is what my Torah calls it. Anyway, so God knew that if we ate the first apple we would be only one apple away from godhood. Obviously he didn't want that, because he got pissed and tossed us out of the garden when we ate the first apple.

Um...then, thousands of years later, he sends his only son, bearing the same name as the serpent no less, and what does the Son want to do? Give us all Eternal Life.

But if the whole purpose of human life is to actually attain the same state as god, why the fuck did Lucifer get made such a horrible example for trying that very same thing???


You know, sometimes I think I would give my life for an actually accurate, un-fucked-with, not-mistranslated version of the fucking bible.

(idea) by CrazyIvan (6.9 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Fri May 12 2000 at 20:58:16

Another flaw that should be pointed out in the "he wanted biased worshipers" school of thought. Obviously the angels were not mindless drones if they were capable of rebellion against god (Lucifer and his ilk). That whole sordid business is a definite suggestion that either god isn't omnipotent, or is just playing war with his lifelike GI Joe figures. Face it, if god does exist, we are all living in one running episode of "When God Attacks", as featured on the Fox network.

(idea) by butane (2.8 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Mon Sep 12 2005 at 16:24:47

God did in fact lie about the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to Adam, as he stated the direct consequence of consumption of the fruit is death-- nowhere does God say He will personally curse Adam with death as a punishment for this transgression, but instead warns him that the fruit itself will kill him. The serpent told the truth when he said that they would not die if they ate it, but instead would become wise. Note it wasn't until God had discovered what Adam and Eve had done (by their own admission) that they were cursed with death.

Therefore, God lied.


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