Asians are NOT all Chinese

(idea) by StopTheViolins (2.5 y) (print) ? 1 C! I like it! Sat Jul 15 2000 at 8:00:37

Pardon this if it sounds a bit harsh, but it's something that needs to be said.

Asian people, people of Asian descent, and pretty much all non-Chinese people don't appreciate being generalized as "Chinese." People of the following nationalities (this is merely an example, there are far more) are not specifically Chinese.

*Korean
*Japanese
*Thai
*Vietnamese
*Filipino

In addition, these people are not "Oriental" either. The only Oriental things are rugs and trains. It's just not Politically Correct. Calling people of Asian descent Oriental is basically equivilent to referring to Native Americans as Injuns.

(idea) by ashke (3.5 wk) (print) ? I like it! Tue Jun 15 2004 at 8:58:27

As sabre23t says, Malaysians (and Singaporeans) refer to themselves by our race since each country has a diverse racial population. I think that the only time we think of ourselves as South-east Asian is if it's related to ASEAN or you're from an international school. There are many countries in South-east Asia and it can get confusing exactly what race you are too. Everyone's great great grandfather or grandmother seems to have once been a migrant from Asia or Europe. This is due to European colonialism in South-east Asia from years past.

South-east Asia also houses a significant amount of Chinese people (though they are a minority in everywhere except Singapore) who can be divided into different groups. There are the migrants from China who came down pre-colonialism as they escaped prosecution there. There's also a story about a Tang dynasty princess being sent to Malaysia as a gift or something. Anyway, these people fitted themselves in with the indigenious people (there are all kinds of South-east Asians too but I won't elaborate here). They are commonly known as Peranakans and have had a long long stay in South-east Asia that they are not really like the Chinese in China (or, for that matter, anywhere else). They've taken on many elements in their adopted country and have gone more 'native' of the Chinese here (but they are natives here so I suppose it's a redundant point?).

Another group of South-east Asian Chinese are migrants who came during the period of European colonialism starting from the 19th century or so. Most of the were male workers, working as coolies and rickshaw pullers. They probably never planned to stay in South-east Asia but stayed anyway in the end for various reasons. I think that this is why the Chinese clans in South-east Asia remain strong as the Chinese are very strongly tied to their dialect groups. Of course, not all of them remained blue-collar workers, and, in fact, many became major businessmen.

Finally, there are the modern day Chinese migrants from China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. Most come for work reasons and decided to stay. I know my parents did.

Note: There are probably Chinese who came through the Chinese-Vietnamese border though I don't know their history. But they're there. Anyway...

When you refer to South-east Asian Chinese, be aware there are many kinds of Chinese. And when you refer to South-east Asians, it also encompasses other races other than Chinese as Indians, Malays, Arabs, native Thai/Vietnamese/Fillipino/etc, Indonesians, etc not to mention that every other person's bloodline is probably 'mixed' and you get Peranakans and Eurasians. We're a mixed bunch here.

So! Asians are most definitely NOT all Chinese. Saying Asians meaning Chinese is like saying monotheists are all Christians. Or Jewish. Or Muslim. Or whatever.

(idea) by wharfinger (6.2 y) (print) ? 1 C! I like it! Sat Jul 15 2000 at 18:31:05

My impression had always been that for most Americans, the default "Asian" ethnicity in the minds of dumbass Americans was Chinese. Maybe it's regional?

The problem with "Oriental", in the US anyway, is that most Americans think it's an exact synonym for "Asian". I used to work for an Israeli who often referred to the Middle East, especially the food, as "Oriental". This is correct usage: They're east of here (some people think they're west as well, but those daffy Round Earthers are best ignored). Still, some cretin (from Baltimore, not Crete) in tech support digested that for a while and concluded that souvlaki is Chinese (this is part of my "impression" as seen in paragraph 1). He clung like grim death to the idea and would not be dissuaded! He decided that the local Chinese restaurant "wasn't for real" because they wouldn't give him any souvlaki, but he got over it because for some bizarre reason the Greek place would. Heh heh.

All sniderei aside, if you use the word "Oriental" (or any other word with more than one syllable) correctly in the US, you'll just confuse people. Have a heart! We're confused enough already.

(idea) by sabre23t (2.9 y) (print) ? I like it! Tue Aug 01 2000 at 15:56:16

I don't believe those of us of Southeast Asia region mind being called Asian. However, many of us in this region refers to ourselves ethnically rather than by country of citizenship. Hence, many Malaysian refer to themselves as Malay, Chinese, Indian, Kadazan, etc rather than Malaysian or Asian. I understand that happens in Indonesia too, though perhaps at a lesser degree.

That may answer Dman's prodding, that I only just saw.

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Is Taiwan a part of China?	The Asian Stereotype	White Devil	I sing banned Girl Scout songs
What kind of Chinese restaurant is this?	Hong Kong jealousy	oriental	Asian porn
To use the spear against the shield	souvlaki	Simpson, eh?	D-Man
Pale Devil	Don't call me Asian	Vietnamese	Korean
Political correctness	ASEAN	Rigor mortis	Filipino
Asian	Ever After	The Joy Luck Fight Club	Thai

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